2. We have seen Junior undergo several changes so far. Recently, with the help of Gordy, Junior begins to appreciate his differences, apparent in the end of "Slouching Toward Thanksgiving." In "Hunger Pains," there is another dramatic shift in the way he views himself and others. Explore this shift. Begin by identifying the pivotal moment of change.
3. Explore the change in his drawings over the course of this chapter.
4. Personally respond to the following passage:
"Why don't you quit talking in dreams and tell me what you really want to do with your life," I said. "Make it simple."
"I want to go to Stanford and study architecture."
"Wow, that's cool," I said. "But why architecture?"
"Because I want to build something beautiful. Because I want to be remembered."
And I couldn't make fun of her for that dream. It was my dream, too. And Indian boys weren't supposed to dream like that. And white girls from small towns weren't supposed to dream big, either.
We were supposed to be happy with our limitations. But there was no way Penelope and I were going to sit still. Nope, we both wanted to fly:
5. Explore the function and the effect of the illustration above. How is this moment in the story different, more powerful, or enhanced by the illustration?
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While Junior has hope and he wants to become something in his life the rez always sticks with him. Junior almost doesnt look at Penelope's dream as a possibility. All he can understand or actually imagine is going to Stanford for Archetecture. Junior lives on a small reservation and I dont think his mind quite gets the fact that there are other places in the world for him to explore. While Junior has dreams the small town he lives in keeps his dreams from expanding even farther. If Junior did leave the rez I think his dreams would be able to get bigger.
AV, do you think that seeing the Great Wall of China, the pyramids of Egypt, and Mount Everest is a bigger dream than going to Stanford to study architecture, "to build something beautiful" and "to be remembered"? What do you think that Junior means when he says, "quit talking in dreams and tell me what you really want to do with your life"?
SY, I think that when junior says, "quit talking in dreams and tell me what you really want to do with your life" he says that to try to get Penelope to make her dreams into real life. He wants her to go and leave her version of " the reservation of the mind" and overcome the urge to stay and not do anything with her life. He wants her to try to do what he is doing, and leave, so if one of them isn't strong enough, the other will succeed.
SXBVZ, I think when Junior says, "quit talking in dreams and tell me what you really want to do with your life." He can be saying that if you have all these dreams try to pursue them and make them real. However, I think that he is confused about what she is saying, and doesn't really believe that she could do any of this. I think he believes that it is just a dream and those dreams will never come true. Junior also thinks that this is especially true for kids coming from a small town like his. So when he says "quit talking dreams," he is actually trying to be serious because he didn't believe what she said before. He wants to understand what she is really trying to say. Yet, it is really not getting through to him.
Think about the difference between the dream of going to visit these grand places (Great Wall of China, Egyptian pyramids, Mt Everest) and the dream of becoming an architect. How are these dreams different?
The quote about what Penelope wants to do with her life really shows that to Junior if you don't grow up somewhere important than you are not going to grow up to be successful and follow your dreams. When Junior says to Penelope that her dreams are too big and that she should have smaller dreams, it means he doesn't believe in them. But on the other hand they were his dreams too. To grow up to be someone important, and do something important with his life." We were supposed to be happy with our limitations. But there was no way Penelope and I were going to sit still. Nope, we both wanted to fly." This quote connects to the picture of the bird. How they both want to fly away and be let free. They both have the same dreams because they are both trapped in their own little worlds.
I think that this chapter is called "Hunger pains," for many reasons. Junior finds out that someone in his school has become bulimic. And that someone is Penelope. She has been vomiting all the food she eats to make her look skinnier. I think the “hunger” part of the name of the chapter is called that, because Penelope must be hungry, because she is not digesting all of her food. This eventually causes her to be hungry. I think the “pain” part in the name is called that, because vomiting that much must cause you lots of pain. It must hurt. Also the fact that she thinks she’s fat must cause her pain, too. “There are all kinds of addicts, I guess. We all have pain. And we all look for ways too make the pain go away. Penelope gorges on her pain and then throws it up and flushes it away.” (Page 107) This pain does not make her feel good about herself. In conclusion, the name of this chapter “Hunger pains” is an appropriate name, and fits well with the chapter.
Well I think that the chapter is called Hunger Pains because it is all about the pain that people feel in the world and the way they cope with it. Penelope has both hunger and pain. The hunger Penelope feels is physical because Penelope throws up actually making her hungry. However, Penelope also experiences pain. Penelope is in pain because she is scared. “Penelope starts crying, talking about how lonely she is, and how everybody thinks her life is perfect because she is pretty and smart and popular, but nobody will let her be scared because she is pretty and smart and popular.” (Page 108). Penelope is scared mainly because she feels that nobody will let her be herself. Penelope is also in pain because she feels like she cannot live her dream of traveling the world, and when she talks about it no one takes her seriously.
I think that this chapter is called Hunger Pains because it is about people wanting what they cannot have and the pain people experience. I think that Sherman Alexie used the phrasing "Hunger Pains" because Penelope was hungry from not digesting the food she ate. Penelope has a hunger for everything that is intensified by her vomiting. "I want to ride a dogsled in Antarctica. I want all of it. Every single piece of everything" p. 111. Junior states: "Penelope gorges on her pain and then throws it up and flushes it away. My dad drinks his pain away" p.107. When Penelope flushes away her "pain" she leaves behind a hunger and Junior's dad is hungry for alcohol after he drinks his "pain" away. Junior has more hope than Penelope and his dad because instead of flushing away his pain or drinking it away he draws it. He is not avoiding his pain. This chapter is about what people hunger for in the world and how they deal with pain.
I actually think i miss read the quote, and i am changing my mind that Stanford is just as big of a dream as going to the great wall of China. Possibly even bigger because sure she an walk on the great wall of China but can she go to Stanford to build something just as great? I think it is definitely a bigger challenge considering all the stuff she has to do to go to a great school like that. So not that Junior doesn't believe in her dreams he just wants to know what she really wants to do with her life. He even says " We were supposed to be happy with our limitations. But there was no way Penelope and I were going to sit still. Nope, we both wanted to fly." So he says that he is going to try and make them possible and go through with what they want.
This sketch, just like Junior said in the beginning, is something that doesn't need word to say, or words could never say exactly the bird means. I feel like the bird says more about Junior view on life now than any conversation.
I think that what Junior is trying to say to Penelope is not that she should give up on her dream and that it is hopeless, but to think again if that going to Stanford is the thing she really wants to do. Junior is questioning wether Penelope has made up her mind or is confused about what she really wants to do with her life. He is asking her wether she wants to be remembered by being a person who went to Stanford or a person who achieved greatness on her own.
I agree with AF's definition of hunger pain as "people wanting what they cannot have and the pain people experience." However, I don't think that Penelope's hunger is really for food and Junior's dad's hunger is really for alcohol.
When Junior says that, “There is no way Penelope and I were going to sit still. Nope, we both wanted to fly.”(pg. 112) I think that this is a turning point in the way Junior views himself and others. For example in the beginning of the book Junior wanted to become a artist. He believed in that dream but he did not think it was possible. “I think the world is a series of broken dams and floods, and my cartoons are tiny little lifeboats.”(pg.6) How he felt then to how he feels now in the book is really different. Before Junior was going to let where he comes from, the reservation, the “broken dams and floods,” stop him from his dream. But now he is, in a way, fighting his limitations. He is not going to stay on the reservation for the rest of his life. Now he views himself and Penelope as people who are going to follow their dreams, no matter what there limitations are.
"Nope, we both wanted to fly:
[arnelope illustration]"
Do you think that this illustration can be viewed as a self-portrait?
(Try googling Australian tufted Arnelope.)
What could that mean??
(By the way: I disagree strongly with many of the responses, he is not not taking Penelope's dream seriously, he's saying that she can do more, that she can do more than travel, but create.)
(This is a response the the fourth question.)
I think that Penelope says that she wants to travel the world, she just wants to be a tourist. She wants to go and see things. But that's easy. You can hand over money, hop on a plane, land in another country, and there you are. You can be a tourist easily. But he wants to know what her real dreams are. What she aspires to be. Going to Standford and studying architecture is a real dream. It's much, much more difficult than hopping on a plane. To get into Stanford, you have to actually be smart, actually have something special about you. To be able to create beautiful architecture, you have to have something else. You have to be special. To earn some money, you can just save your money up and decide on a whim to do it.
(This is a response to question 3.)
This question was really interesting so I want to answer it, too.
Junior's drawings in the first chapter of himself were highly negative. They showed him as a boy with a giant head, eyes pointing different directions, tons of teeth, and in a weird pose. Then we see the picture of him and Rowdy, and he looks like a completely normal boy. He doesn't have a huge head, he isn't abnormally skinny, and he doesn't appear to be very strange-looking at all. This also connects to how his views on himself have changed throughout the book so far. They have gotten more positive.
AV, when you say that "Junior almost doesn’t look at Penelope's dreams as a possibility," then why does Junior think that he can still become something, if he has the same dream. If Junior thinks that Penelope's dream is not possible then why would he think his is possible? Junior thinks him and Penelope's dreams can come true. "But there was no way Penelope and I were going to sit still. Nope, we both wanted to fly." Right here, Junior is saying that he will try hard to make his dream come true, and he does think that he could accomplish it if he works hard. He thinks both him and Penelope could "fly".
I disagree with ss because I think that the turning point in the book when Junior views himself and others in a different way is when his sister got married. Junior also realizes that he can follow his dreams when he thought that he and his sister were warriors. "Of course, my parents and grandmother were in shock. They thought my sister and I were going absolutely crazy. But I thought we were being warriors, you know? And a warrior isn't afraid of confrontation. So I went to school the next day and walked right up to Gordy the Genius White Boy." I also agree with ss when she says that Junior used to want to be an artist but he did not think it was possible. He now thinks that he has no limitations on what he can do.
ld, the shift you're talking about is dramatic. But I suggest in the questions that there is another shift within this chapter. Can you pinpoint it?
I think that the picture of the bird was used to really get the point across and show how serious they both are. The bird enhances the moment because a bird does not really have limits for the things they can reach and the kind of power they felt at that moment was too great to describe in words. Arnold and Penelope felt like birds at that moment. They felt like there was no limit to the heights they could reach. It was power and erectness that they had never felt before. This moment was a dramatic change in Junior's view on himself and life from the beginning of the book. In the beginning he told himself that he had limits and could never exceed his limitations but now he believes that he can exceed his limitations and climb to great heights.
In this chapter, Junior draws a picture of a bird spreading its wings and about to take off, i think it shows his feelings. He draws it emphasizing his emotions bigger than words. I think its really deep because in Junior's mind it is resembling him and penelope. He has changed his point of view, and is thinking positive of himself. I think Alexie intended this important moment to be like a new birth for Junior. In the chapter hunger pains he learns that the both of them want to break the limits and fly. Both of them aren't supposed to think that way, they were supposed to be happy with their limits but they still wanted to be free and feel limitless like a bird. Penelope tells him that she wants to be a famous architect to build something beautiful, and Junior feels inspired. Now, he knew he wasnt the only one who dreamed big. So Junior draws his new self, taking the first step in following his dreams.
I think that the dream to go to Stanford is much bigger and better then going to china and walking on the great wall. Stanford is one of the top schools in the country and takes a lot of work to get in. Going to china as amazing but it is just costing you money, not working and not being remembered. Also if you were going to china to see the great wall it is not a lot of work, and you are not going to be remembered, it is just putting up the money. The great wall is a piece of architecture that is beautiful and the architect is remembered. So I think that being an architect is a much bigger dream then getting on a plane and going to china to see someone else’s work. When you could possibly have the chance to be remembered and make something beautiful yourself. Penelope's dream of going to stanford is a much more rewarding dream then getting on a plane to go to china.
About what af said...
I think that the reason why Junior is different then his dad and Penelope is because they have hunger for not just food and alcolhol but also for hope. af said, "This chapter is about what people hunger for in the world and how they deal with pain." I agree with that but I also think that even though Junior has big dreams too Junior has done something big and he has not been discoraged. i think that that alone feeds his hunger. And I think that when Juniors dad drinks away his hunger and when Penelope flushes hers down the toilet they are actually trying to bring stregth to them selves when in fact they are bringing weakness. They are trying to forget and move on but they are failing and so they arebonding them tighter to there sadness. I think that stregth is being able to move on with no help. Like Junior did. Even if it means moving away from the home you used to know so well. I think that weakness is not going outside to find hope and just waiting for it to you. You have got to search at the very least. I think that this chapter is about how not understanding hope can effect your life.
av, I disagree with you because I think that Junior really gets the fact that there are other places to explore out there and that is one of the reasons why he was so depressed in the beginning of the book. He knew that there were other places in the world to explore but couldn't get to them. I think what was really stopping his dreams from getting bigger was the fact that no Indian has ever gotten off that rez. He believes that he is like them and that was the way it was meant to be.
well... to answer sy's question about how these dreams(visiting the Great Wall, Pyramids, Mt. Everest)are different, i think that the dream of becoming an architect is MUCH better than just visiting these grand places becuase the memories will or might stay with you forever (or maybe for a little while), but following your dreams and making it come true WILL stay with you FOREVER!!! You're pratically doing what you've wanted to do all your life, but as for Junior, if he brings his "one day" dream come true, he'll be SO happy, that he'll might as well be happier than ever!!
Daniel, I think that junior definitely wants to get off the rez but he also has other dreams. He would do anything to get off the rez, but I do not think that is where he wants to stop. Getting off the rez is a big dream but his sister did it, and I have faith that he will too. But what about his artistic ability will that dream ever come true? Yes, I agree that it is easier to go travel around the world then it is to get into Stanford. But, is Stanford her big dream and people like to work hard for their dreams.
sy, i understand what you are trying to say when you ask what dream is bigger.I guess that the standford dream is bigger because if she makes something big and beautiful, she will be remembered forever. Going to the great wall of chin doesn't make her famous. People all around the world aren't going to say, "Hey a girl named penelope went to the great wall of china! she made history! shes a legend!" NOOOOOO!!!! they are not going to say that. Being remembered is bigger than going to something important,
ex:
Rosa Parks was not famous for
riding a unycycle around the block because unycycles are so cooooooooooooooool..... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! sHE DID SOMETHING UNBELEIVABLE!!! not doing something cool. Period.
Well I think that when Junior said, “Why don’t you quit talking in dreams and tell me what you really want to do with your life”, he is telling Penelope that her dreams of going to all these places and doing all these activities are unrealistic and unachievable. But going to Stanford to study architecture to build something that people can remember you by is a big dream, but many people have done it.This is somewhat similar to the dream of Junior’s. My definition of a dream is something that someone hopes for or aspires to be and it is difficult or impractical, however many dreams can and have been realized. Junior’s dream is to become a famous cartoonist and talk to the world and to be remembered. Penelope also wants to be remembered. That is why there is a picture of a bird that represents Junior and Penelope flying away and fufilling their dreams. Having no limitations and being free. To try live past the stereotype that Indians on reservations and white girls from small towns cannot be successful.
i partly disagree with SR, although it may be called hunger pains for that, hunger does not simply mean hungry for food, it can mean other things like hungry for education, or something else. i think that the hunger part in the title of the chapter has to do with the limitations of their life, they are hungry for opportiunity. i do not think that the hunger has to do with just food, it has to do with many other things. Penelope dreams big but because she lives in a small town she is limited she is hungry for opportiunity and because she doesnt have much opportiunity to go to Stanford this must give her pain.
I disagree with LD because he sais that Junior views himself differently when his sister (Mary)
get's married. I believe that it was the other way arround and that when Junior left the rez to go to Reardon, Mary realized what she had done with her life and wanted a change. I do not think that enything on the rez changed Junior's view on himself in a posetive way.
In my opinion, Sherman Alexie entitles the chapter “Hunger Pains”, in a metaphorical way to depict literally and figuratively both Junior and Penelope’s hunger and yearning to escape their limitations. Junior and Penelope have their own ways of forgetting and reducing their pain. In Junior’s case, drawing cartoons is his method of escaping his pain. Penelope’s pain is caused by her loneliness and her hunger and yearning to escape her boundaries in which she finds herself trapped in. Penelope’s self-induced vomiting is a literal pain that she endures on a regular basis.
Junior, in the first chapter, mentioned that the "world is a series of broken dams and floods, and my cartoons are tiny lifeboats." (P.6) Junior's drawing in the chapter “Hunger pains” is an example of one of his life boats. The reservation and the small town of Reardan are the “broken dams and floods” and his dreams are his salvation. The drawing of the bird exemplifies that Junior and Penelope have dreams about wanting to do amazing things with their lives. The bird shows that they want to fly high, even higher than their expectations. Junior’s drawings are more powerful than his words. This drawing enhances the story because it emphasizes how strongly Junior feels about his dreams. The way he draws the giant wings and tail feathers combined with his description show his intense desire to succeed.
PD's blog response is filled with run-ons and fragments, which makes it unclear to read. PD strays from the original question. PD mentions that it is about living your dream. It is really about achieving something of greater importance. Anyone can be a tourist. Perhaps it is better to be an active participant for Penelope. Penelope's desire to create great things is indicative of her ambition.
Question 3
The first drawing in the chapter starts out as a negative cartoon of Junior's dad. The second drawing is Junior being critical of himself when he's making fun of his own dream. The third drawing is of Earl, shown made out of vomit and slime. So far the drawings are all negative and cartoony. The drawings from there on become more realistic and beautiful. The drawings go from vomit to a beautiful bird. This signifies Junior's change in attitude in laughing at Penelope's dreams and then respecting them. The drawings in this chapter go from quick scribbles in the first 3, to real drawings in the last 2. And SY, i googled the bird and there is no such bird as the Australian tufted Arnelope! The bird is a symbol of Junior and Penelope's dreams. Junior's drawings changed throughout the chapter because Junior's feelings were changing throughout the chapter. When Junior felt serious, the drawings became more serious and worked on.
sy, I think the turning point in this chapter is when Junior and Penelope are talking about limitations and how they both have bigger dreams. The both "wanted to fly." Even though they are different they both share big dreams.
I strongly disagree with av because Junior does take Penelope's dreams seriously just like he takes his own dreams seriously. I think the photo represents them both flying and following their dreams. he even says in the passage that he and Penelope and not going to stay still and they are going to fly. Junior has already left the rez because he is going to Reardan and trying to fufill his dreams. What's better: seeing the Great Wall of China or creating it?
responding to what sxbvz said, I sort of disagree that it has anything to do with making your dreams realistic". Instead i think that when Junior tells Penelope not to talk in dreams he is simply implying that going all over the world is not a realistic way TO SPEND YOUR ENTIRE LIFE. There are few professions that involve nothing but touring. On the other hand, the 'realistic' dream that Penelope has, after Junior tells her to "quit talking in dreams" is something that you can explore with your mind, and something that you can go out and do. It's something that you can spend your life doing. I don't think either of Penelope's ideas have anything to do with reservation of the mind because both of them are definitely unreserved things to do.
WG, thanks for googling that. Did you notice the name of the fake bird, ARN-elope! Does the name resemble someone we know? Again, what could this mean??
SY, thank you for pointing that fact about Arnelope. I had only noticed the Penelope part of the name. But this supports my argument that the bird represents both of their dreams even more!
I think that we all want to be remembered and Junior realizes this and, for the first time, embraces the fact that he wants to be remembered and that he wont accept what almost everyone else on the rez has lived and gone to the grave with. Junior knows that he cant live his life happily with no hope and no way for anyone to remember his existance on Earth after he is gone. Junior knows that he and Penelope are going to do something big and be one of the first people that have their set limitations to break through them and "fly".
I believe thatr the reason this chapter is called Hunger Pains is because j unior is faced with an problem. He is old that he cannot dream big because he is an Indian child. He hungers to go to higher altitudes like the Australian tufted Arnelope. Even the picture is showing that Arnold and Pebnelope want to dream bigvand go places with their lives and notl ive their lives out the way the world tells them to. I also believe thatv Sherman Alexie chose this picture because the name of the bird in thevpicure is the Arnelope, that is like combinding Arnold and Penelope's dreams. The both of them hunger the same way for a change. Also I believe that the reason why Serman Alexie called this chapter Hunger Pains was becauuse of what Junior sees Penelope do. She is a bullimic. Whenever she eats she vomits, she says that she does this because she is under so much pressure in school.That she is so lonely, this shows that since Penelope is being starved of any type of true friendship or companionship she starts to even physically starve herself. Thast is what I believe that chapter hunger Pains means.
Junior puts the picture of the bird in to show how he and Penelope were meant to dream big. The bird as Junior says is “Perfectly suited for long distance flying in high altitudes.” Flying in high altitudes for a bird is very hard because there is less oxygen and it is very cold which makes it even more difficult to fly long distance in it. Penelope and Junior are like this because they both need to go to great lengths to reach their dreams because of who they are or where they grew up. It will also be very hard to reach them because people would give them are hard time while they were trying to take off because they wouldn’t be able to understand and it would be very hard for them even after they have started to pursue their dreams. That is why they are like the bird they were both meant to “fly long distance” in very harsh climates. The bird in the picture is shown as taking off just as Penelope and Junior are just beginning their journey to achieve their goals. Junior puts the picture in of the Australian tufted arnelope in to represent how Penelope and him were meant for big dreaming.
( responding to sy’s response to wg’s paragraph.)
When I wrote about that picture I noticed the name of the bird kind of sounded like Arnold but I never thought it would be a combination of Arnold and Penelope. I’m really glad that wg searched it on Google. I think that the bird is a creation of juniors that he thinks most represents him and Penelope. I also noticed that the drawings he draws that aren’t so much funny cartoons are drawn on slightly crumpled paper and not drawn on pieces of lined paper. I wonder what it could mean.
junior has the dream of getting off the reservation and penelope wants to go into archetecture and travel the world. she also wants to study at stanford. i think that dreaming big for junior is just getting off the reservation but for penelope, she knows what she wants. her dream is going to stanford . i think that traveling the world is more of a hope because of how hard it is to get into stanford.
Sy, i think that you're implying that av thinks that traveling to those places is a dream but i think that you have a different opinion. i assume that because it is so hard to get into stanford, it is a bigger dream that you need to have a lot more things go right for you to get in to stanford that for you to travel. you need very strong grades and you need to get very lucky. to be able to travel, you need to have money for the trip and you need to have a passport. you don't need any luck to get a passport. the only luck can be involved is if you get turned down. there is some luck involved to make money in the sense that you need to have a good job and you probably be lucky to get paid very well.
BJVDH and MG brought up an interesting idea in class today -- does Alexie/Junior's decision to depict a bird hint at the fragility of Junior and Penelope's dreams? I still don't think that Alexie chose the bird to symbolize hope and fragility. But what I can see is that there are risks and danger in flying. In other words, their determination to not "sit still," to work toward their dreams is risky, and the bigger their dreams, the greater the danger. Just like when you are really hopeful about anything, there is fear of failure. And the more hopeful you are, the greater the danger of getting disappointed. I don't think this is about fragility. I think it's about hope and taking incredible risks.
I disagree with av because I do not believe that Junior was trying to say that he did not believe in Penelope's dream. I actually think thaty he was tryinmg to coax Penelope into actually chasing a dream that she could actually acheive. I also think that he was telling Penelope not to doubt herself. That she should never give up and believe in herself. Also av said that Junior cannot wrap his mind around the possibility of going to Stanford. That is not true because if he did not believe in what Penelope wanted he would not have told her to take herself more seriously and to really think about what she really wanted to do. Junior is slowly able to get out of the rez mebtaslly because ni this chapter Junior really seemed to open his mind up to different possibilities and he actually seems ready to fly.
Sy, I think that going to Stanford to study architecture is a much larger dream than traveling around the world. It requires skill and ambition. I think that the reason Junior dismisses Penelope's dreams of traveling everywhere is because he understands dreams of ambition and being remembered but thinks that dreaming to just go somewhere isn't worth dreaming for. Junior can understand Penelope's dream of studying architecture because he wants to be remembered as well. He dreams to be a famous artist.
Junior shows a great change in his illustrations throughout the chapter.
In the beginning of the chapter, it starts out with a picture of his dad saying "I'm only and alcoholic when I get drunk" (Pg. 107) and it looks like a cartoon. He also included an illustration on Penelope's father, Earl, that portrayed him as a monstrous creature. however his drawings become very serious towards the end and it appears as if he had worked very hard on it. I think there is a contrast between these drawings because the pictures that portray things that mean a lot to him are well detailed drawings. But on the other hand, the pictures that are not much of a big deal to him, he exaggerates them.
SXBVZ, in what way do you think that Penelope has reservation of the mind. Can you explain how this is possible. Because, I know that someone doesn't nesescerily have to live on the rez to have reservation of the mind. But, can Penelope who seems to me to be depicted as one of the "whitest" girls in Reardan. When I say "whitest" I mean that Penelope seems to live and go about her life in a way that is depicted in the media as very white or white centered. I don't meen that Penelope wakes up every morning and thinks to herself "Oh! I'm the biggest, whitest, OMG valley girl that goes to Reardan." Penelope: "But she does seem to be very popular, very fashionable, extremely, extremely white, and she is like the leader of like the biggest like click gaggle of like girls in like the whole like school.OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!" Do you see my point? She is an almost perfect example of the seriotypical ways that we look at people thesE days.
SXBVZ, in what way do you think that Penelope has reservation of the mind. Can you explain how this is possible. Because, I know that someone doesn't necessarily have to live on the rez to have reservation of the mind. But, can Penelope who seems to me to be depicted as one of the "whitest" girls in Reardan. When I say "whitest" I mean that Penelope seems to live and go about her life in a way that is depicted in the media as very white or white centered. I don't mean that Penelope wakes up every morning and thinks to herself "Oh! I'm the biggest, whitest, OMG valley girl that goes to Reardan." Penelope: "But she does seem to be very popular, very fashionable, extremely, extremely white, and she is like the leader of like the biggest like click gaggle of like girls in like the whole like school. OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!" Do you see my point? She is an almost perfect example of the stereotypical ways that we look at people these days.
I think that this chapter’s drawings starts as small comics like when Junior draws his dad saying “I’m only an alcoholic when I get drunk”, then they excel to very detailed drawing of things like the “Arnelope”. The drawings and pictures go from a level of low detail to a level of high detail and quality.
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